Choosing your land

March 11, 2010

1/7. Choosing your land; what to look for, questions to ask, making an offer, the first contract.

So you have decided you’d like a chalet in the Alps. You have chosen the area you would like to be and have made a couple of visits looking for suitable properties. Unfortunately all the chalets you look at seem to be compromised in some way; either too old, badly built, overlooked by the neighbours etc.

Land for sale in the Alps

“Why don’t we build our own?” Good question, lots of people have. Individual chalets are being built around the Alps all the time. We “just” find a bit of land and the estate agent says she can put us in touch with a good builder. She’s shown us chalets that she has had built by the same firm in the past.  So “why not?”

Pro’s

  1. You choose the location which suits you.
  2. You specify everything to your requirements; from the design of the chalet to the quality of the fittings.
  3. You can pay in stages. Ideally you have enough put by to pay for the land, the bank should lend the rest (in theory).

Con’s

  1. You’ll have to wait (at least) 2 years for the finished property.
  2. You think you will know how much it will cost before you commit, but in fact it is only an educated guess.
  3. You think the builders will do a good job (because they have been recommended to you) but in fact it’s more “hope”.
  4. If you change your mind and want to pull out half way though you’ll be left with an unfinished chalet. Worth only slightly more than the original piece of land. Full value will not be realised until it is finished.
  5. You will be working in French, it’s not the end of the world if you don’t speak French but if you don’t the project will cost you more than if you did!

OK, so in my list there are more Con’s that Pro’s, this is deliberate, you know this is not for the faint hearted don’t you?

Choosing the land.

What will the chalet be used for? A permanent residence / holiday home / rental investment? The answers to these questions are crucial in choosing the correct location. Alpine Property have over 30 plots of land for sale. This includes examples of good locations for each use.

http://www.alpine-property.com/index.php?page=search&typ=4&lang=en

The key point is that  there will need to be some compromises made when looking for the plot on which to build your “dream” if the price of the land is to remain reasonable.

A permanent residence doesn’t have to be close to the slopes and bars, it can be out of town. It would be good if it were reasonably large to allow you to build a decent sized home for your family.

An investment property doesn’t have to be on a large, sunny plot, it can be shady with a small garden, as long as it has good access to the skiing.

It is interesting to watch locals choosing land. They frequently prioritise sun exposure when making their decisions. This comes from generations of experience of the mountain winters. They will say:

  • South facing is good. Some south-facing slope is excellent, it means the land will act as a solar panel allowing the sun to warm the house and surrounds. I live on flat land, it’s great for the kids, 50m away the slope starts, all the houses there lose their frost and snow earlier than I do.  There is only 50m in it!
  • Beware of frost hollows and the bottom of valleys, cold air sinks and when there is no wind it stays! For days sometimes. Frost hollows are easy to spot in the winter but harder to identify in the summer.
  • Look around you, where does the sun track through the sky? Carry a compass. Is the sun blocked by the alp on the other side of the valley? Is it blocked by trees on the neighbours land (you may be able to apply to have these cut down) or is it blocked by the neighbour?
  • Think about the access, although you cannot be held to ransom by neighbours trying to prevent access to your land you might have to go to court to secure access rights, how steep will the access road have to be? How wide will the planners demand that it should be?

In this series I’ll be using the actual on going build of a 4 bedroom chalet about 4km from Morzine up a pretty valley that goes by the name of “La Vallée de la Manche”. Renowned locally for how snowy it gets in the winter. Its steep sides cause a local meteorological effect – it gets twice as much snow as Morzine.  Very pretty – very cold!

The particulars of the land on which our sample chalet is being built can be found on our website:

http://www.alpine-property.com/index.php?page=prop_1_alex

The land is “hidden” on the website so the map does not work. It is marked on this one though.


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So, you have visited the land and you like it. What do you do next? Well, ask the estate agent some questions.:

  1. Have you got a land plan?
  2. Can we walk the perimeter?
  3. Please show me the access.
  4. Where are these main drains that you have mentioned in the particulars?
  5. What are the environmental hazards here?
  6. What “zone” is the land in?
  7. Do you know what sort of chalet I could build? How big? How tall? How close to the neighbours?

It’s quite possible that towards the end of the conversation your estate agent might not have the answers to hand. They are easily obtained, this can normally be done straight away. Ask your agent to accompany you to the local planning office, it will be situated in the local Mairie. They will be able to provide you with all the bits of paper you need, including the planning regulations that refer to this particular plot of land. It is quite possible the planning office could be very helpful and may raise issues the estate agent is not aware of.

To give you an example of the sort of issues you will encounter, let’s look at our sample plot. It’s in a zone referred to as “UC”. Of the 1284 m² plot size, 858 m² is “constructible” . To determine how large a chalet you can build, you must ask for the COS (Coefficient d’Occupation du Sol)  for this area. In our example case the COS is 0.2. It can be much higher in centre of town situations allowing for denser housing. You must multiply the size of the constructible land available by the relevant COS. So in our case 858m2 by 0.2 which means you can build a chalet with up to 170 m² of living area, amble for 4 bedrooms.

  • “Why isn’t all the land constructible?” You ask.

The council worker chuckles and responds. “Some of the land is non constructible because it is in a risk zone, I’ll print off a map to show you the at risk areas”.

risk zones

You are reminded of the fact that when it comes to environmental risks the mountains really know how to upset the apple-cart. You can see from this map that the plot is in a “safe” spot but is surrounded by risk from avalanches (from both sides of the valley) and from flooding from the streams that run off the mountain. You might decide to look at this map and run a mile. OR you can look at it and reassure yourself that this small hamlet has been existence for over 200 years and that in those days you could trust the inhabitants of a valley to build with respect to the risks. Nowadays it is another matter. 30km away (as the crow flies) an event took place that illustrates the dangers well. The following link will take you to a long article on the subject. Well worth a read.

http://pistehors.com/backcountry/wiki/Articles/Montroc-Avalanche

After everything you have learnt you decide to make an offer for the land. This is accepted on the phone the same day. Things are moving along nicely.

The estate agent announces that she would like you to sign a binding contract (a Compromis de Vente) and that for the deal to be sealed you will need to deposit with the Notaire 10% of the asking price. This is easily done as you have the cash ready to be transferred for just this occasion. More questions arise.

  • (Q). We have the money to pay for the land, we have assumed we can ask the bank to lend us the money to build the chalet. Is this assumption correct? (A). Your estate agent helpfully offers to make an appointment with the local bank the next day.
  • (Q). You need to apply for planning permission, you are fearful that if this is not granted you will end up with a piece of grass of interest only to the cows. What can you do? (A). You need to ask the Notaire to add a clause to the Compromis which states that you do not have to complete the sale if planning permission for your proposed chalet is rejected. In this case your deposit will be returned. Demand that this ins and outs of this clause and subsequent consequences are made clear to you by the Notaire.
  • (Q). How will you apply for planning permission? (A). The estate agent recommends a local architect well versed in the planning procedures for the region. She makes an emergency appointment for you to meet with them.

Now up until this you have been fairly impressed with how things have gone, you have made some preparations but they have been fairly minimal, within a few hours of setting foot on the land you are within a few days of having a legally binding contract that will lead to full ownership and the construction of a chalet? So why the emergency appointment? We don’t need to rush do we?

You do. You will need to get the planning process rolling as soon as you can. In theory you could have planning permission in 3 months but in practice 6 months is the minimum required. You cannot leave your “get-out clause” in the Compromis open ended, the seller will insist on a time limit. This may well be 6 months. A long time from their point of view, no time at all from yours!

Please feel free to ask questions via the “comments” below.


Chalet Les Pommiers in Morzine

February 1, 2010
100m from the Pleney Piste

Chalet Les Pommiers

Built in 1995, Chalet Les Pommiers is a semi detached property. It has been rented successfully as a business during the winter and summer over the last 5 years, thanks to its location return custom has always been guaranteed. The chalet is demi-detached and is shown here as the right half of this building.

Watch the  video tour!

Chalet Les Pommiers

Chalet Les Pommiers

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Full details here.


Moving to the Alps

March 30, 2009
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Autumn walk '08

We often get asked about how to go about setting up a chalet business in the Alps. Often the underlying question is “I’d like to come and live in the Alps, how can I make a living?”. Obviously the subject is pretty vast and there would probably be a market for a book on the subject. There is certainly a market for loads of magazines and websites. Here follows my “quick” reply.

  1. There are many ways to earn a living whilst living in the mountains. One of them is to run a catered chalet business. It may be the least profitable though, especially when you take into account the hours involved.
  2. If you happen to have a million Euros in cash handy then it is a fairly reasonable way to spend your time. You invest the money in a chalet, you make a living from the income the business provides and if you invest wisely (and if the market plays ball) your capital investment can grow.
  3. If you are very handy and speak reasonable French you could buy a renovation project (200,000 to 400,000 Euros then 100,000 to 200,000 Euros on materials), you can then renovate yourself and turn your investment of time and money into something worthwhile. Don’t imagine you can get away without speaking French though; you’ll have to deal with planning applications, French tax, French regulations (health and safety etc), French electricians and your neighbours! Employing builders to do the work and taking out a large mortgage can really mess up the finances.

If dead set on the “Chalet Business” route then consider:

  1. Getting a job working for someone else. You’ll get to know the business, make the mistakes for someone else! You’ll get to know the area too and might find yourself a property when “on the ground”.
  2. Taking 3 months off to tour around the Alps, start with getting to know the areas you might be interested in, then home in on one and concentrate your search on that. Start after the February holidays so that’ll leave you with March/April/May, you’ll be getting serious towards the end of the season – just when people have a bit more time to spend with you. Come to think of it – May can be a bad month – too many bank holidays – difficult to get the local population to concentrate!

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Autumn walk '08

Within Alpine Property we have a lot of expertise in your area of interest. All the businesses mentioned are “legit” French business – none of them are “British” businesses operating in France!

  • Steve Norris – MD, fluent French speaker, actually seems to enjoy French bureaucracy. Loves France more than the French – oddly that is quite an unusual trait amongst the British Ex-Pats In France. Second business www.alptitude.com
  • Gareth Jefferies – Ops Director, second businesses www.endlessride.com and www.endlesstrails.co.uk
  • Lee Massey, second business, project managing new build and renovation projects.
  • Claudia Buttet, Dutch/French/English speaker, project manager, chalet builder, long time estate agent.
  • Denis Barbier, fist of all a chalet builder (it’s in the blood), http://www.alpes-chalets74.com/knows everything there is to know on the subject.

So as far as tradesmen are concerned we can certainly point you in the right direction. It would depend on which area you settled. For the Portes du Soleil it would be Claudia, Lee or Gareth that can advise. For Samoëns it would be Denis. If you settle on Chamonix or Megève it would be Jean-Christophe Skiera or for the Aravis, Emma Casanova (her second business is chalet and apartment management). If it was Les Carroz then Richard Owens (another with a good relevant second business – http://www.lacortiena.com/.

The pictures of the “Autumn Walk” were taken on a walk above Morzine in November ’08, Steve and Gareth “bunk off” work for the day. We were back at our desks by lunchtime! All the pictures can be found here.


Villa Bethanie, bourgeoisie quality

March 27, 2009

Villa Bethanie is a magnificent stone built chalet in the centre of Samoëns, recently refurbished by craftsmen to a very high standard its 5 bedrooms are currently used as holiday accommodation. Very few chalets exist in the Alps that have this level of character.
Because of its central position in Samoens the nearest shops, restaurants and ski bus are just a minutes’ walk away. This chalet south facing and the terrace will catch the warmth beautifully. The level of finishing is exceptional; the chalet is very spacious too. In fact some of the ensuite bathrooms are bigger than some bedrooms in other properties we have for sale! The stone floors and stone staircase give a real sense of the provenance of this villa.

Internally the layout consists of:

Basement: Twin bedroom (1) with ensuite shower and toilet, utility room with heated ski and boot room.

Ground floor: Long entrance hall, large living area, wooden conservatory “sun room”, double bedroom (2) the “red room”, ensuite bathroom with double basin.

First floor: Double bedroom (3) the “green room”, with walk in “dressing” big enough for a cot if required, ensuite bathroom with walk in shower and toilet and double basins, dining area, seating for 8 people and kitchen with access onto a sunny terrace with views of the mountains, there is space here for a table and BBQ.

Second floor: Twin bedroom (4) the “Chinese room” with ensuite bathroom, twin bedroom (5) the “ski room” with ensuite bathroom.

More pictures and 360 tours are available by clicking here.


Chalet Gentiane – “James Bond” in Morzine

February 12, 2009

Just online!

“James Bond” because we could imagine him staying here!

Chalet Gentiane is a modern high specification 5 bedroom chalet just off the piste in Morzine. There are very few chalets in Morzine that can be regarded as on the piste, probably less than a dozen. This one is 50m from the “green” return piste that runs down to Morzine from Les Fys.

The finish is very high quality, the floors in the main living areas are tiled and the walls clad in wood. The bathrooms are tiled to the ceilings. There is under floor heating throughout.
The layout consists of:

Ground floor: Double garage, entrance hall, laundry area, bedroom (1), shower room, sauna.

First floor: Open plan lounge / dining room / kitchen with an open fire and access onto the deck. The deck is large sheltered and south facing; it has a hot tub installed. Bathroom (2), WC.

Second floor: Double bedroom (3), double bedroom (4), single bedroom (5), shower room, WC, store room
Externally the land is shared with the neighbouring properties, it is landscaped and has a maintenance contract in place.

Click here for more photos and information


Chalet in central Morzine

February 3, 2009

A 5 bedroom, ‘ready to go’ chalet, in the centre of Morzine.

Chalet Berger from Alpine Property on Vimeo.

We can arrange for “video tours” such as this one. They can aid the visualation of a property via the internet!

This chalet is set in a quiet location, yet right in the centre of Morzine. The ‘home run’ on the Pleney piste is approx. 100m away and the Pleney ski lifts are located just 200m from the chalet. In addition to the skiing, all the other local attractions (shops, bars, restaurants, banks, cinemas, skating rink etc.) are all within easy walking distance of the chalet.

Chalet Berger was constructed in 2000 and is offered for sale in excellent condition. Given it’s superb location, this chalet is ideally placed to give a good rental income during both the winter and the summer seasons.

Chalet Berger is a detached property with 170m2 of habitable living space. On the ground floor of the chalet is a very practical use of space with 3 garage areas, cellar and boiler rooms. The main living accommodation is situated on the upper two floors of the chalet giving it a very bright aspect, particularly in the open plan living room on the first floor.

For full details please click here.


Large new chalet in St Jean d’Aulps

February 2, 2009

We’ve just added this detached chalet with apartment, close to St Jean d’Aulps.

Chalet Quatre Saisons is located in a quiet location on the edge of St Jean d’Aulps and within easy walking distance of the main village. Very popular with both permanent residents and second home owners, St Jean d’Aulps is a lively village with shops, restaurants/bars, banks, post office and school. It has it’s own ski station just 5 minutes drive away at La Grande Terche, whilst access to the linked Portes du Soleil ski area (including Morzine/Les Gets/Avoriaz) is only a 15 minute drive away.

Chalet Quatre Saisons occupies a sunny position and has great views across the village and of the surrounding mountains. There is an established garden and plenty of parking and the property occupies a land area of 1100m2.

The property is currently divided into a 3 bedroom chalet and a separate 2 bedroom apartment. As such, it would be possible to live in one part of the property and rent out the other part to produce an income.

For full details please click here.